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Helen Dale's avatar

Short reminder that Lorenzo is in Australia, so he's asleep right now. However, this thread produced so many good comments he's gathered them up & responded to them here: https://lorenzofromoz.substack.com/p/self-deception-and-social-corrosion

Do be aware that there will be some he's missed (ie the more recent ones), but that he continues to update forthcoming essays in light of people's comments. Relatedly, if I'm able to place the essays in book form with a publisher, they will be published in corrected form throughout, with acknowledgements (handles are acceptable; Lorenzo has already written a corrected follow-up thanking a smart bloke who calls himself "Rooster Luggage" on Twitter).

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L.P. Koch's avatar

Quite the tour de force! Our capacity for self-deception is awesome, and to understand it in ourselves and others absolutely crucial. And you are right in pointing your finger at the rationalists as well here.

While the "false consciousness" tale popular among Neo-Marxists can be very dangerous, I suppose they were onto something initially, and these hyper-norms sort of get uploaded to the Freudian super-ego, but we are often just not aware of this at all. It *is* possible though to transcend it, through self-work and honest feedback, and often personal crisis. It's the only way not to get sucked into a spiritual wasteland of captivity to evil, or, if you prefer, the worst kind of evolutionary dead-end.

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