Let’s start by I don’t accept anyone else’s Frame.
In this case it’s the Civil War the Left chose. In war you accept battle or justly face any fate including extermination for being contemptible.
No one who isn’t fighting with me or against me has any say or purchase. Want a say?
Then take my risks, the enemy’s risks. Or die at our mutual discretion.
Your world never existed Mr. Fulmer, it was simply the rear and safer areas. Decades of being undermined and betrayed by users, cowards, lawyers and the peddlers of “norms” destroyed the fantasy. Now the rest of you can face reality on your own merits. Call it “meritocracy.”
Lol
*here’s an example; the response time for US artillery is one hour, if ever. In WW2 it was 5 minutes.
Why?
Because the pedlars of social norms were outraged by Friendly Fire casualties, so they instituted *norms* to help check this, as it’s bad publicity. The casualties inflicted by the enemy in the ensuing 15 minutes aren’t… bad publicity. So in Vietnam it went to 15 minutes.
In the war on terror Iraq Afghanistan it went up to an hour, because social norms put lawyers - JAG , Judge Advocate Generals- in the loop to enforce social norms n stuff so back to an hour. This is known as JAG poisoning in our little society.
JAG poisoning, or norms if you like.
After Bush lost midterms in 2006, they got real a little again and pulled the poison for a couple of years to get it back to 15 minutes. It shot up again under Obama and Mr COIN McChrystal…. And now we have Privates in JAG who wag their fingers at Commanders, who being the enforcers of social norms cave without protest.
^Rejoice Norm, er Richard ^ this was your victory. Peak norms.
But you lost us, and well everyone who isn’t as Rawls crazy as you are…
But take the field, perhaps you’ll prevail… You won’t have us, except as foes.
First, nowhere did I voice support for the “norm” of letting politicians dictate battle tactics. Second, you seem determined to make my case that by adopting the Left’s tactics and policies, we will eventually achieve the same results - though results that neither you nor the Left intend.
Tearing down the “oppressive” norms by which people peacefully cooperate to achieve their disparate goals has long been the Left’s dream. They “reason” that once free from oppression, they can “socially construct” utopia.
You say you want truth? But above you demanded that we jettison the bourgeois virtue of honesty. And how are you going to maintain your gun and become proficient in its use without some of those virtues you sneer at? And your little rebellion won’t last very long without a few (shudder) norms by which you can work with your fellow rebels.
While the Left has no clue how they will build their utopia on society’s ashes, they at least have a workable plan for burning it all down. You don’t even have that.
PS ; calling honesty a bourgeois virtue… my dear sir. You are positively distracted.
As in delusional.
The bourgeois has no virtue and cannot afford honesty. Nor as we see here can they afford to read the truth.
What the English bourgeois had and they threw it away was private property was safe, sacred. They have discarded it to be sanctimonious about Russia and Iran, etc etc. This means safe bourgeois is over, Anglo American dominion has ended, capitalism is dead, and you’re out of money.
…along the way everyone who could save you was abandoned to the fates, abused by lawyers and the media and the righteous scolds… so very well! Like the ultimate bourgeois brats at the Gaza peace rave meet your friends. It doesn’t matter what you said about the politicians, it matters what happened.
It’s done.
Meanwhile…
Bourgeois virtue?
My dear sir, this is too funny.
But if so honest and virtuous, go and fight for it.
Your disdain for the middle class is duly noted. But, yes, there are bourgeois virtues and, yes, honesty is among them. A merchant who gains a reputation for dishonest dealing will quickly lose customers and suppliers. Donald Trump gained a reputation for stiffing his lenders and business associates. Eventually, no reputable business would have anything to do with him.
So, your alternative to trying to maintain the rules by which people with different goals and beliefs can peacefully live together is civil war.
Let’s start by I don’t accept anyone else’s Frame.
In this case it’s the Civil War the Left chose. In war you accept battle or justly face any fate including extermination for being contemptible.
No one who isn’t fighting with me or against me has any say or purchase. Want a say?
Then take my risks, the enemy’s risks. Or die at our mutual discretion.
Your world never existed Mr. Fulmer, it was simply the rear and safer areas. Decades of being undermined and betrayed by users, cowards, lawyers and the peddlers of “norms” destroyed the fantasy. Now the rest of you can face reality on your own merits. Call it “meritocracy.”
Lol
*here’s an example; the response time for US artillery is one hour, if ever. In WW2 it was 5 minutes.
Why?
Because the pedlars of social norms were outraged by Friendly Fire casualties, so they instituted *norms* to help check this, as it’s bad publicity. The casualties inflicted by the enemy in the ensuing 15 minutes aren’t… bad publicity. So in Vietnam it went to 15 minutes.
In the war on terror Iraq Afghanistan it went up to an hour, because social norms put lawyers - JAG , Judge Advocate Generals- in the loop to enforce social norms n stuff so back to an hour. This is known as JAG poisoning in our little society.
JAG poisoning, or norms if you like.
After Bush lost midterms in 2006, they got real a little again and pulled the poison for a couple of years to get it back to 15 minutes. It shot up again under Obama and Mr COIN McChrystal…. And now we have Privates in JAG who wag their fingers at Commanders, who being the enforcers of social norms cave without protest.
^Rejoice Norm, er Richard ^ this was your victory. Peak norms.
But you lost us, and well everyone who isn’t as Rawls crazy as you are…
But take the field, perhaps you’ll prevail… You won’t have us, except as foes.
First, nowhere did I voice support for the “norm” of letting politicians dictate battle tactics. Second, you seem determined to make my case that by adopting the Left’s tactics and policies, we will eventually achieve the same results - though results that neither you nor the Left intend.
Tearing down the “oppressive” norms by which people peacefully cooperate to achieve their disparate goals has long been the Left’s dream. They “reason” that once free from oppression, they can “socially construct” utopia.
Well that’s the Left’s problem.
Not mine.
I don’t want peace.
I want truth and a gun means what it says.
I acutely will do nothing to maintain a peaceful bourgeoisie lifestyle. Contrary. Burn it.
We are the death of the Enlightenment - because it’s
The Lie.
The Left may speak of Utopia, They don’t mean it. That’s 💩 they told the bourgeoisie.
With me and the others like me, they don’t bother with the charade.
Let the bourgeoisie fight.
They have something to lose.
Cheers
You say you want truth? But above you demanded that we jettison the bourgeois virtue of honesty. And how are you going to maintain your gun and become proficient in its use without some of those virtues you sneer at? And your little rebellion won’t last very long without a few (shudder) norms by which you can work with your fellow rebels.
While the Left has no clue how they will build their utopia on society’s ashes, they at least have a workable plan for burning it all down. You don’t even have that.
RF; go and fight for what you believe. We out.
I don’t need to rebel.
I and we don’t need to do anything , in fact nothing is exactly what we need to do.
Go on, fight. You believe.
I did and now I don’t.
I’m typical.
PS ; calling honesty a bourgeois virtue… my dear sir. You are positively distracted.
As in delusional.
The bourgeois has no virtue and cannot afford honesty. Nor as we see here can they afford to read the truth.
What the English bourgeois had and they threw it away was private property was safe, sacred. They have discarded it to be sanctimonious about Russia and Iran, etc etc. This means safe bourgeois is over, Anglo American dominion has ended, capitalism is dead, and you’re out of money.
…along the way everyone who could save you was abandoned to the fates, abused by lawyers and the media and the righteous scolds… so very well! Like the ultimate bourgeois brats at the Gaza peace rave meet your friends. It doesn’t matter what you said about the politicians, it matters what happened.
It’s done.
Meanwhile…
Bourgeois virtue?
My dear sir, this is too funny.
But if so honest and virtuous, go and fight for it.
Your disdain for the middle class is duly noted. But, yes, there are bourgeois virtues and, yes, honesty is among them. A merchant who gains a reputation for dishonest dealing will quickly lose customers and suppliers. Donald Trump gained a reputation for stiffing his lenders and business associates. Eventually, no reputable business would have anything to do with him.