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Just a short comment to thank everyone for their insightful and thoughtful remarks. I'd like to respond in more detail, but I have a media commitment that requires travel tomorrow and a piece to file by COB Friday. Presence around here will be light to variable.

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Jul 24, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Gosh you do right some interesting and provocative articles Helen! This one has me spinning with ideas.

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Jul 23, 2023·edited Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Excellent article. It is like the people with useless college degrees these days, posing as intellectuals. This is a well written article with some history and present mixed in to make some excellent points. True innovation comes from people who have critical thinking skills outside the box.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

The notion that progress flows from Basic Science down to Engineering, is, as you noted a long term

conceit of scientists. The more usual route is that the engineers get something to work, the scientists go back and analyse why the thing worked, and then, armed with a better theory of what is going on, the engineers make improvements and end up with something that does it better. Then the scientists point at the recent deal and say 'look, look, engineering is downstream of theory and basic knowledge!' One of the reasons that this is not widely known, and why, for instance the Apollo program was touted as 'a triumph of science' as opposed to one of engineering has to do with the relationship that Vannevar Bush had with Roosevelt, Truman and then Eisenhower.

If the Mililtary Industrial Complex had a father it was Vannevar Bush. He tirelessly advocated for pots of government money to go for research and development -- see for instance "Science The Endless Frontier A Report to the President by Vannevar Bush, Director of the Office of Scientific Research and Development, July 1945" https://www.nsf.gov/about/history/vbush1945.htm and he knew perfectly well that what he was advocating was 'better living through engineering'. But Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower all had very strong prejudices against the Army Corp of Engineers, based on personal experience. It appears that some of the members of the Army Corp of Engineers weren't particularly bright. This translated into a prejudice against engineering in general. So Bush knew that the notion of handing pots and pots of tax dollars to some engineers to do engineering was never going to receive approval. Thus his pitch was, relentlessly, 'we must do it all for Science' and 'We need more Basic Science'. He writes about this in his book 'Pieces of the Action' -- which I think that all historians, whatever their period, would enjoy reading.

I think that this is why the myth that 'science comes first' is so enduring. Vannevar Bush was one of the best and most successful myth-makers of the 20th century, and this was one of his.

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Fascinating detail (Ridley is British, so tends to focus on UK history - hence the Newcomen story).

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Jul 23, 2023·edited Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Oh, it is a great story, and I am in no way saying that Bush invented the snootiness that certain (most?) scientists still have for 'applied science' and 'engineering'. It's just that by the time the Bush and his great buddy Walt Disney completed their mythmaking, the USA was deeply committed to a shiny technological future. There are downsides to this, and to creating strong ties between business and governement -- but it is hard to argue against technology-driven prosperity which the USA enjoyed for 2 postwar generations.

But there is a problem when you don't know your history. After the architects of the military industrial complex all were dead, their decendents thought that the ticket to prosperity was in becoming more theoretical, and having more knowedge workers. The practical matter of engineering was not important, and indeed could be shipped overseas to Indian and Chinese engineers who were cheaper. As long as we have the ideas -- went the thinking -- we will still be at the summit of the technological mountain. It hasn't worked out this way. Bright technological futures need a bunch of engineers who are going to engineer -- make stuff --, come what may, because that is what engineers do.

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Can’t agree with this one. “...went the thinking” when in reality, the only thinking being done was how to harness cheap labor in less-developed countries. Corporate America laid cash in the palms of politicians...bought them off, that is...for the right to expand overseas and across borders without tax consequences, and then loaded equipment on flatcars and ships to escape the higher-cost labor markets at home. The only “engineers” involved were the millwrights sent along to set up new plants and factories where cheap labor was to be found.

US technology was thus exported to profit only the corporations, Americans-be-damned. Those who were not so inclined were later forced to follow suit, or die, as reduced costs of their competitors began driving them out of business.

Thus the United States now lacks opportunity for graduating scientists and engineers, lacks well-paying industrial opportunities for the working class, and the now-multinational noses-in-the-air corporatocracy seek to govern, ultimately, through the WEF. One of the many benefits of this approach will be to ride the high-horse of “equity” and “world benefit” while forcing the masses they screwed while polluting the earth, to pay for its salvation.

Let’s get this picture right.

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Jul 23, 2023·edited Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Oh, I agree with you that the corporations bought off the politicians this way and did exactly as you said. The question is, why did everybody go along with this? Where were the critics on the left who could have been expected to say that this was a cruel swindle? A great many people on the left thought that society was abandoning the low skilled jobs for something higher up the mountain, and there were stacks and stacks of economics papers claiming this was the way to prosperity instead of, in Hayek's expression, part of _The Road to Serfdom_.

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I don’t believe the left was even paying attention. When the exodus of manufacturing began, early in the Clinton years with NAFTA, there were Ross Perot’s warnings of “a giant sucking sound” as industry would move off-shore. There were death-cries of competing small business, and massive objections from labor. Why labor unions still support Democrats in the US escapes me. The premise may seem valid to some academic-types who know little of how the world actually works, produces and prospers.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

I don't live in the USA, so I make these observations from long distance, but I think the term used in the title of the article is a misnomer. I don't think that the bulk of the people who swelled the ranks of the universities wanted to join 'the elite'. Instead, they were the people who read popularisations of those economic papers I talked about, and really believed that the defunct good jobs in manufacturing were going to be replaced with good jobs in the knowledge economy. They wanted to be part of the new properous working class, the one with middle-class income.

And according to this gallup poll, an increasing number of them think they _are_ the new working class. https://news.gallup.com/poll/159029/americans-likely-say-belong-middle-class.aspx The problem they face is that this new knowledge economy never produced the good replacement jobs promised, or at least not in quantity.

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As for unions, what choice did they have? Republicans were and are virulently anti-union.

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The decline of manufacturing an anti-worker policy began thirty years before Clinton. https://mikealexander.substack.com/p/how-the-new-deal-order-fell

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Great piece. On a personal note, it's really depressing to be the first generation in your family to get past o-levels, let alone go to uni, and find out just how pointless much of it is.

"University" acts like a pyramid scheme in some ways. Where I live, the Uni is the biggest employer, especially for admin staff (studentification is a real thing and a big problem imo, but that's a different essay).

The uni demands degrees for quite basic jobs, possibly to capture plenty of its own graduates and therefore boost its stats (over x% of our graduates get jobs after their degree, send your kids here!). I remember an ad for a PA job, approx £23k p.a., they wanted a first class degree. Absolute piss-take. We're seemingly trapped in a constant state of qualification inflation. Qualiflation, if you will. A waste.

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"Qualiflation".

SNERK.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

I'm 24, and recently graduated with a technical degree from the third world, everyone expects you to be getting job offers here and there, but the truth is a sad, sad story. The degree doesn't matter much if there are new graduates like you every year for the last 20 years, trying to fill in the same 400(high paying) jobs that have been stagnant since the 80's. Those degrees accrued status for the previous generation and all the kids were coached to do the same. The only hope now is to get out of the country, especially for those who came from poorer backgrounds and had literally staked everything on education. The immigration trend from the third world to the West will be triple what it is right now due this problem alone.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

That is so sad, and yes that degree thing is overplayed. I remember advancement in the military became a check box culture - much less of a meritocracy after WWII. The military has been the closest thing to a functioning meritocracy, retaining that aspect through many fads and fashions until Obama began the purgings.

College/university can be wonderful and challenging, with the exposure to many fields, access to big libraries, concerts, recreation - for example, you can take rock-climbing, swimming, spelunking, scuba diving classes, go on trips, forays, meet all kinds of people, argue, talk, listen with little interference - at least when I was going. The "hard sciences" crowd affected increasing atheistic views, especially so in the upper degrees which I did not understand. The more I learned about how things worked, the more awe I but it seems to work the opposite there and deism wasn't fashionable. You could find the lefties too, the commie profs and get steeped in that (young people have excess energy and it is easy to tap that, tap youthful anger and shape it, give it "reasons"). I feel terribly for the loss of freedom to explore, to truly learn, quashing of optimism and discouragement of developing problem-solving skills, and the danger - even physical danger - of not conforming to the indoctrination.

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For a regime seeking to perpetuate itself the great challenge is how to suppress talent where it is not needed and how to counterfeit the appearance of merit where it is. The present system does this effectively enough.

Merit gets its chance only when the survival of the regime is at stake. Without a serious, imminent, threat, the system will go on as before. People will grumble.

The pious frauds of higher education are transparent enough. The institutions that count are aware of the problems and are starting to recruit technical trainees with serious ability straight from high school. The fixation with credentials will misdirect the attention and energy of midwit drones and the terminally naive.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Did you mean suppress talent where it is needed? I am missing something; that happens with me sometimes.

I have noticed shitty placement services even in areas where the degrees/skills are needed. The expensive degrees in faux ideology that the graduates expect qualify them for at best rare and fleeting job slots, floor me. Just as do the libbie-tards that insist that black people don't know how to get an ID - those nitwits not rising to midwits.

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I am trying to make case that while there is an obvious need for talent (medicine, nuclear engineering etc) the regime always prioritises its own intrrest in maintaining an undereducated population. They are threatened by the expectations of the lower orders and restrict educational opportunity to ensure social and political stability. An overeducated counter-elite would form a very dangerous opposition.

IMHO you see proof of this most clearly in the way that the US has allowed public education to decline. The dumbing down of higher education enables the regime to cater to demands for education while devaluing the content/significance of formal credentials. It is a scam but worked well enough fir decades. Now it us all breaking down.

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Thank you - I see.

I agree!

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It is worth remembering that the big pushes for expanding higher came after WW2 and then after the end of the Cold War. The first had some basis in the needs of rapidly developing economies, the second was a ruse to make up for wage stagnation and persistent unemployment.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

I've often thought that school children would be better off learning about people like Maudsley (who started work at 12) Whitworth and Wilkinson, etc. None of them went even close to a university and are arguably key figures in the industrial revolution, which in itself has been far more important to our modern life than most of the history we study.

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Indeed, we have gone too far along the path of credentialism. We are witnessing credential inflation as well. As I wrote here: https://www.lianeon.org/p/not-qualified-but-overqualified, "while the mean IQ of a graduate student in the 1960s was 114, that fell to 105.8 by the 2000s. For undergraduates, the mean IQ dropped from 111.3 to 100.4 by the 2010s. Given that, by definition, an IQ of 100 is average, a college degree now merely signals average intelligence to potential employers. A college-educated person today scores barely a point higher than a High School educated person did in the 1960s."

This, among other reasons, is why we are going to need occupation reform, to disinflate credential inflation, and change the way that we finance and operate higher education.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

I didn't know that, wow!

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A response to a comment, which I think should be more visible:

https://www.notonyourteam.co.uk/p/meritocracy-elite-overproduction/comment/21201631

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Alas I have no control over how Substack displays comments!

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I’ve re-stacked your fine article with the comment as an opening remark.

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Jul 23, 2023Liked by Helen Dale

Finland trumped even Blair in their desire for university take-up. A nation that fought the Soviet Union to a score draw twice when aka Russia could fight its' way to Berlin and beyond, not just out of a wet paper bag, has succumbed to fear of a Russia half the size that has been struggling to fight its' way out of a wet paper bag for 17 months and I'd argue joined NATO as a direct consequence. Switzerland has joined the UN. Countries don't get stupider but their governments and bureaucracies certainly give a good impression of doing so with this dumbing down of unis.

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“Authoritarian states can produce excellent science.”

🇺🇸 government isn’t Authoritarian in any sense of Centralized Authority. More of a free for all scramble for money, status, lawsuits, denunciations.

It’s rather like the French Assembly with the denunciations by borderline personalities with the soul of Murat but not his courage. No Danton, no mob, no pikes, no storming of the Bastille. Brats smashing up Starbucks then Daddy’s lawyers get them out of jail.

It’s sort of Performance Artist playacting at Bastille Day. They don’t have the Balls or physical strength to see it through.

The real enforcement mechanisms are The Media, which functions as our ghey fake KGB. The STASI economic side is people in their same Striver group get cancelled and have to go on Substack; but you see LW and the rest needed to be dead or in a labor camp for this to work, for L Ws tormentors to be safe. They’re not safe. They know they’re not safe, they know they’re weak cowards.

In 🇺🇸 the man with skills and a Don’t F with me attitude can always change jobs or start his own business (I became an LLC in 5 mins and $1500 for tax purposes, the filing took about 30 days but they handled it).

Not to mention if you have skills and a work ethic you’ll be fine IF you’re not so gutless as to be a doormat. Even so it will just be the office shirkers giving you their work.

Burly men especially with skills are fine. We’re waiting.

The only real danger is these idiots sensing their out, maybe dead or worst of all having to work 🤣 is they fire the Nukes in some Nero order. Possible, getting less likely. In nuclear war terms the most dangerous year for humanity was 2022.

You’re looking at the family tragedies shrieking at the prospect of living on their own merits.

You’re also looking at a fire sale.

Want an Ivy Degree? Sure ! 🤦🏿‍♂️

Want Roe overthrown? DONE!

Want factories back? TIDAL WAVE, the 2 biggest problems not enough workers, running out of real estate ( you need transportation, water, power, labor base). But these are the right problems! CHIPS Ahoy!

Want a check for being black?

SURE!

Look it’s Perestroika and Glasnost all over again, with aging cowards and pederasts instead of aging killers of the USSR.

Look if Brezhnev were Gay = 🇺🇸

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Short version;

🇺🇸 “Authoritarians”

Look if Brezhnev were Gay = 🇺🇸

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Charlotte Iserbyt is notable among those describing the long agenda of mis-education in America, and to paraphrase Bertrand Russell from his third autobiography, if memory serves, schooling seemed relentlessly committed to trying to prevent people from thinking well. Add fluoride to water, and subject virtually every person alive today from birth to relentless mass media crap, and we graduate to the contemporary tendency to make sure that kindergarten children are exposed to adult sexual perversion, in lieu of alphabets and numbers.

But there is hope. 'Blue collar'-ish truckers by the thousands drove thousands of miles in the Canadian winter and occupied parts of Ottawa peacefully, inspirational for much of humanity, made the city safer, cleaner, funner, to the outraged consternation of many highly educated Canadians and fomenting in-your-face weak-kneed totalitarian-flavoured dysfunction in the governments across Canada.

The truckers had de facto advanced degrees in common sense, driving through snow and sleet with their senses alert, along with whatever other formal credentials.

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“berating US police officers for not going to college. “

The police ob in _____ county FL didn’t go to my friend, because the other guy had a Masters degree. If you think that’s something look at “outside” hires for NYPD. Green Berets, PhD.

*outside the “family” 🍀.

I met the Fireman’s NYFF 🍀 society once on St Patrick’s day in Manhattan. He was head of Fireman’s 🍀 society.

He was coal black man 👨🏿.

🤣🤣🤣

In NYPD same deal.

And in Blood 🩸 Trades Nepotism is actually best practice.

Tom Wolfe was telling the truth, they all want to be ☘️ cops, even the DA lawyers.

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Rule by the best was never Aristocracy...

🗡 this was Aristocracy

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Great article! It occurs to me that the association of university attendance with “a more skilled and productive workforce” rests on the assumption that students graduate from programs that are of use to society (ex.STEM). While a liberal arts education can lead to a more rounded person, they are only useful if students are taught how to think instead of what to think. Many other programs (ex. women’s/gender/queer studies) provide no benefit to society and only benefit the individual if the graduate goes on to teach (in which case the new teacher is just perpetuating the problem).

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"The fact that China can do that — it’s a genuine and successful example of what is probably best described as “authoritarian capitalism” — is a powerful counterclaim to Ridley’s “small state” argument, one that, to his credit, he tackles head-on. He accepts that China’s innovation and economic growth has killed off the Whiggish belief that economic freedom would lead ineluctably to political liberty. He then does his level best to explain how, and to sound a note of caution. Maybe Xi Jinping’s authoritarianism will kill the goose that laid the golden egg. And maybe it won’t."

The problem is the safeguard for innovators in the West (patents) has been thoroughly compromised by the intel agencies/Deep State to protect their interest, and cooperative corporate interests. The West now has the worst of both worlds, China only has half. Imagine if the West had both...

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I'm not sure there is that much innovation in China, the economic system is adept at swallowing advances and copying tech from other nations.

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